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song name is selipar ku di bibir mu
Beautiful. Does anyone know the name (title) of this song (music)? Thanks.
Yerim canim o göğüs ney neler var neler
NO hon I have not been disapproved of anything, the first written language ever for example came from Sumer not india :p Sorry but you are obsessing about your own culture. My own culture built pyramids and were incredible mathemeticians and astronomers and did not have contact with india at all infact they were isolated and also never had concact with other cultures. It can be done and it was. Middle easterners have an incredible history and sorry not everything came out of India. 😛
No No YOU have been disapproved…If Einstein said “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.” HOW can you build a civilization without knowledge? of Mathematics; geometry calculus Astrology (pyramids are built lined up with the stars) THESE ARE ALL ORIGINATED IN INDIA NOT Sumeria everybody knows this…only middle easterners think math is Arabic…don’t be mad at me be mad at YOURSELF…INDIA<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
India is not home to belly dance and you keep saying that which isn’t true and far from it. Don’t get started on that one because middle easterners will not be happy with you and you are going to cause yourself trouble for saying that. Their civilizations are ancient like india but india is not the cradle of civilization as Sumer and Pre Dynastic Egypt were.
Sorry but sir william has been dead for like 200 years and I don’t put much weight on that one! My research is in the here and now, not the past!
Lol FYI Sumer has no connection to India in any way. The language theory has been disapproved. They were their own tribes that settled in the region and built the first cities so yes they are the cradle of civilization. Sorry to disappoint you while a lot of ancient things did start out in India, it was this time and sumer has no relation to India in any way and archaeologists have made that very clear.
I found research from universities not guesses either. Dr. Barbara Sellers Young who is professor of Dance at the University of Tornto as well as was in the United States has stated specifically it comes from Egypt and that is where it’s roots are at. You need do more research yourself and stop creating garbage that isn’t there. The quotes below are from Fiona Wort, Edith Cowan University, Australia. Like I say when I research I research academically.
Some dances are specifically designed for special circumstances or events, like the wedding Zaffa or the Birth dance that is performed during labour (Dissanayake 2001; Muller 2001; Neitz 2000).
here is an element of mysticism in belly dance, probably due to its primarily Egyptian and Turkish roots and the mythology and mystery connected with Ancient times. It is important to note, however, that the Middle East is a diverse region that exhibits varying forms of belly dancing. Some dances, like Nefertari’s Dance where a dancer holds candles in both hands, hold ancient myths and stories from Egyptian history and mythology (Ikram and Dodson 1998).
Well you should do some more research…On Afrika and Egypt and BANJARA…I am not surprised you downplaying Gypsy influence in Arab world or in Europe or the world same…when they dance sing artistic expression people CLAIM them like DIDEM they steal; just a dirty Gypsy, All countries where they ”blend in” they are force to assimilate or to hide their origins in fear of racism. Gypsy music or culture its one of the oldest they should be rightfully be credited with What they have CREATED.
Gypsy or India same for me, I proud, extremely proud of my Indian roots I think there is allot to be proud of beside Banjara. INDIA HOME LAND OF BELLY DANCE…We don’t claim Buddhism either or martial arts people think it’s from china in Europe people think math is from Arabs we don’t claim math either Hindus are humble and extremely generous KARMA philosophy…Afrika? so that means Belly dancing is from the big bang or it came from NOTHING Now thats BS If you believe that…:)
8)Sir William Jones says:The extensive maritime activities of India in the remotest time led to her earliest contacts with Egypt, Sumer, Babylon, Assyria, Judea and many other countries. There are strong indications showing that Egypt in remote antiquity derived her civilization from India. Those who went from India must have mixed themselves with the natives of the land The earliest Ethiopian tradition says that they came from a land situated near the mouth of the Indus.
7)H. R. Hall “There is no doubt that the Indus must have been one of the oldest centers of human civilization, and it seems natural to consider that the strange non-Semitic and non-Aryan people who came from the east to civilize the west was of Indian origin, particularly when we see to what point the Sumerians looked like Indians in appearance.”
The Egyptians attributed an eastern origin to their culture, starting that they had come from the East by sea, from the land of “Punt”.
6)Subhash Kak has observed: “A sad consequence of the racist historiography of the 19th century Indologists and their successors is the neglect of India’s interaction with Africa. Cyril A Hromnik’s Indo-Africa : towards a new understanding of the history of sub-Saharan Africa (1981) is the only book on the Indian contribution to the history of sub-Saharan Africa that I am aware of, but it is just an exploratory study.
5) Egyptians, got their muslin from India. In fact, vegetable “wool”, i.e. cotton, and wool producing plants have been some of the earliest gifts of Hindu merchants to the world.Hindus brought with them apes, elephants, cedar, teak, peacocks, tigers, rice, ivory, and other articles to Babylon, the Rome of Western Asia. It was through this Indo-Mesopotamian trade that the Athenians of the sixth century B.C. came to know of rice and peacocks.
4) Hindus ships could of brought BANJARA to Arabia and then spread to Egypt Or Sumeria or as I said Traders from the middle east or as I said Hindus colonised Egypt and Sumeria and Bringing with them of curse BANJARA allot of variety but one thing is sure the ORIGINS of pure belly dancing BANJARA is INDIA…Not Afrika.. or Sumeria or Egypt or Arabia…
3)The Hindus as captains of industry and entrepreneurs of commerce. They were in touch with the Pharaohs of Egypt. The mummies of the Egyptians were wrapped in muslin which was imported from India. Hindu trade gave to the land of the Nile ivory, gold, spices, tamarind-wood, sandal-wood, monkeys, and other characteristic Indian plants and animals. It is also believed that the textile craftsmen of Egypt dyed their cloth with Hindu indigo. Hindu ships brought the Indian commodities.
2)Louis Jacolliot has written:
“Egypt received from India, by Manes or Manu, its social institutions and laws, which resulted in division of the people into four castes, and placing the priest in the first rank; in the second, kings; then traders and artisans; and last in the social scale, the proletaire — the menial almost a slave.” Albert Einstein, “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.”
Well actually the cradle of civilization is NOT Sumeria.. History books should be RE-written they contain lies and falseness.. and I prove it right now…) 9,500-Year-Old City Found Underwater Off India…Check it out..
“We have a right to more than suspect that India, eight thousand years ago, sent a colony of emigrants who carried their arts and high civilization into what is now known as Egypt”The Egyptians came, according to their records, from a mysterious land…”Col. Henry Steel Olcott,
Lol no they did actually the cradle of civilization is ancient Sumeria and that is that is where belly dance is believed to have come from. It’s not india and I won’t repeat myself. Egypt adopted much of their culture and advancements. Hence it did really come from the middle east and africa area not India. LIke I said I done research including scholarly research. I don’t base it off my own beliefs alone.
Again Bedouin or Arab or Sudanese whatever, TRADERS in ancient time brought back with them more then just Black pepper Culture to, If India is the first civilization it makes sense NO? Spice trade is from INDIA Not from Arabia or Egypt You came to US not the other way around You picked up elements from OUR Culture Indian philosophy exKARMA,COTTON,SUGAR astrology Mathematics algebra Hookah, surgery spinning wheel calculus Chess, university, Musical instruments Ghungharu Manjira and dances BANJARA
I’m sorry I have seen a lot of banjara or indian dancers and i don’t see resemblance. you just want the theory to be true about gypsies but it isn’t. Like I said it’s just a theory and a weak one at that. You can ask any Egyptian now a days and they will tell you they are home land to belly dance and they are quite proud of that fact. Sorry India never makes that claim and they have beautiful dancers but that is about it. Belly dance started in Africa not India and that is bs if you believe that
The ghawazees adapted belly dance to their way of life, believe me it’s been in egypt for over 3,000 years. I told you I have done thorough research and I have scholarly journals on it. Yes well Africa is the cradle of life and civilization so you can try to convince yourself other wise.
No No you should look at Indian Rajasthani BANJARA Dancers its MORE ancient then Egyptian or Arabic or Persian or Turkish… BANJARA India 100% The PUREST form of Authentic Belly Dancing… It’s a bunch of hog wash to believe that it came from elsewhere…Sorry…:)
Now you resort to twisting my words sign of something? I did not say Raks Sharki is from India I said BANJARA IS FROM INDIA Raks sharki style was BASED on the Ghawazi style and Ghawazi are From INDIA… BTW Belly dancing made it into Egypt BEFORE the Ghawazi from traders Spice trade ANCIENT TIMES not the other way around Indians don’t like to mingle culturally with others they like to keep Traditions FIERCELY like GYPSYS Afrika? I said Civilization NOT HUMANS origins…No not the same… sorry.
It’s one of the the oldest but africa is where human beings have their origins. Seriously Raks Sharki is not from india there is no support for that theory. It’s a bunch of hog wash to believe that it came from there.
oh for godsake india wasn’t the only country to wear them! You go look at images of ancient dancers they wore belts it’s not a question of who wore what seriously.
I wouldn’t take all of wikipedia says either, they are not a reliable source. I have researched my information thoroughly as also I am a belly dancer. I won’t repeat myself belly dance is not from india, I recently watched traditional sudanese dancers, they don’t have gypsies in their areas, they danced just like a belly dancers.
Indian Civilization its the OLDEST and most colorful Richest CULTURE in the world the birth place of Languages Of Religion Hinduism Buddhism of martial arts no its not China Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA: “India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.’, So its safe to say India Influenced Other cultures From India to Persia to Arabia To Europe not the other way around and that includes BANJARA SORRY…
Wikipidia=Raks Sharki Egyptian style of belly dance that developed during the 20th century.
BASED on the traditional Ghawazi (Gypsys) and other folk styles and formed by western influences such as marching bands, the Russian ballet, Latin dance, etc., Anyways and were the Ghawazi Based their DANCES; BANJARA India 100% The PUREST form Authentic Bellydancing=INDIA Gypsys from Rajasthan BANJARA dances EVEN ancient times Arabs or north Afrikans Persian Turkish etc. TRADERS PICKED IT UP FROM INDIA
First off we do know 100% the Origins of Gypsys INDIA DNA has proven it…Just to let you know coin belts coins and Ghungharu are worn by Gypsy Dancers in Rajasthan.
Historically, the Bedouin engaged in nomadic herding, agriculture and They also earned income by transporting goods and people across the desert ”India the country with 1000 species” Bedouins or Arabs traded goods (caravans camel train) went to pick up spices and goods in INDIA it safe to say They picked up more than just spices..
Raks sharki is not from gypsies it came from the ancient Egyptians and the Dom settled in egypt only about 600 years ago not that long as I said the adopt the customs and identity of the country they live in
The other way around its TRUE to…So these Gypsys when they arrived in countries they arrived with nothing?Again These Gypsys were ENTERTAINERS;Artists Musicians Dancers BANJARA Snake charmers playing pungi (Like in Marocco)Hookah mathematics chess Origins? INDIA…Their music lives on as the nutrition and inspiriting sources of the 18th and 19th century’s western classical music. Gypsy Creativity=LAUTARI,Raqs sharqi Jazz manouche, Rumba and of course FLAMENCO there is no=to Gypsy soul=India<3
That is why the women perform saidi which is a feminine version of tahtib.
sorry I mean to say they haven’t been part of india for several thousand years.
all gypsies are nomadic, yes they all have foundations in India but they have been part of india for several thousand years as well as the Dom as they don’t have the same language or customs of the Romani for example. Gypsies as I said are known to adapt to regions where they move to. Tahtib for example is stick fighting that came from Ancient Egypt, as well as the coin belts the women wore when they performed in temples. That is why Egypt is considered homeland to belly dance, not gypsies sorry
And where are the Dom or Lom from????? INDIA There are subgroups of Gypsys in India Lambadi (or Gormati) Gypsies. Other groups living there include the Tamil Nomads, the Indian Gypsies, the Kanjari, and the Baiga. Arhagar Gypsies (Pakistan)Europe; Rom Romani BEAS Kolompar, Romanichal Sinti Kali THEY WERE ALL NOMADIC GYPSYS WITH COMMON WAY OF LIVING AND CULTURE MUSICIAN DANCERS (BANJARA) CRAFTMANSHIP BEAR HANDLING PUPITEERS BEGGERS They have more relation as then people think or know…Or admit.
The gypsies adopted it when they moved to the balkan region, and the ottoman empire took over as they took over the middle east completely they took and adapted much of the culture as well as well as customs and dance. That is how belly danced managed to get it’s way around. Gypsies are known for adopting to the countries religion and identity in which they settle, so the ghawazees settled in egypt and adopted a lot of their ways as well religion.
The rom and the dom are not the same which is what majority are in Turkey are Rom. The egyptian gypsies have no relation to the Romani just to let you know that, they haven’t beein in at a few thousand years a least anyway. Gypsies are weary of outsiders and stick to themselves that is why they are quiet about their culture. There are small majority in the arab countries. The largest majority being in Turkey. The others are Dom gypsies no relation to Romani.
First off know one knows the origins, the gypsy origin is just a guess nothing else and I would say more likely it came from the middle east. There are pictures of ancient egyptian women wearing coin belts just to let you know. I know about the ghawazees however they are a dying art form in Egypt. They are dancers but they don’t truly dance raks sharqi, it’s a little different. The bedouins dance belly dance and they are not in any shape or form related to gypsies nor do they associate with them
2) Raqs sharqi style which ultimately gave rise to Western schools of belly dance.I am not surprised allot of people in the middle east don’t know or don’t admit should I say…their origins…There is a large concentration of Gypsies in the middle east. Researchers claim that, “they accommodate racism by hiding their ethnic identity,” as they would not be accepted into society once their true identity is revealed.Turkey-5Million-Egypt-5million-etc…Unofficial…Rom=Gypsy=Rajasthan=India=<3
Well it must of came from somewhere…:) Didem is a perfect example She is of Romani (Gypsy) ethnic heritage Most of the musicians and dancers in Turkey are Gypsy. And Gypsys came from India Nomad musicians and entertainers they brought allot of influence in Europe and the middle east like BANJARA-belly dances, Like the Ghawazi(Gypsys) In Egypt . are the most famous for their dancing and music. The Ghawazi Gypsy dancers have been associated with the development of the Egyptian Raqs Sharqi.
no it’s not, no one knows exactly where if came from
starting to become a little worrisome because people are telling me left and right they are falling apart that is the only worry I have. I would rather have a sim although I do like her costumes, they are just not becoming top quality 🙁
Shes too sexy
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