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Speechwriter, Brian Jenner, gives an insight into how learning to salsa dance can change your life. Brian was a member of two Bournemouth salsa clubs: Latino…
Speechwriter, Brian Jenner, gives an insight into how learning to salsa dance can change your life. Brian was a member of two Bournemouth salsa clubs: Latino...
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Speechwriter, Brian Jenner, gives an insight into how learning to salsa dance can change your life. Brian was a member of two Bournemouth salsa clubs: Latino…
“Evolves” Yes ! when the Puerto Ricans kept the name Mambo and kept on dancing, it is called evolution. However, stealing the Cuban Mambo and change the name into Salsa is not evolution, It is called “STEALING” ! You must be stupid not to know the difference ! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-10
Understanding yis something you really gotta work on, buddy. And reading. Ballroom ppl stole the name RUMBA from Cubans. Understand?? Now get back to reading my message again, and again. Til you c the part “Talk to ppl who actually know a thing or two about salsa, mambo and their evolution b4 you post ur comments”. Understand? Get some help really
I am saying one thing all the years that stealing is unethical and immoral. If the Puerto Ricans kept on dancing the Cuban Mambo, like the Europeans keep on dancing the Cuban Rumba,without changing the name and take credit for the invention,I have no quarrel of it. But the Puerto Ricans stole the Cuban Mambo and took the credit for inventing Salsa, I still think it is unethical ! Salsa had stolen Mambo. The Cubans has lost its Mambo to the Puerto Ricans Salsa ! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-9
I doubt “The Puerto Ricans” did that. Unless you were talking to the Puerto Rican Prime Minister on YouTube.
I also doubt Puerto Rico will be invading Cuba or any other country any time soon. If they do: unless they develop a new salsa martial arts, what you’re saying is totally irrelevant. FYI so is where the Japanese language came from in relation to the invasion. I feel ridiculous even mentioning any of this.
You just made this discussion ridiculous, so this is my last post on the matter.
I use an example why stealing is no good. The Japs stole the Chinese language and called it Japanese. Several hundred years later on 1937,the Japs even invaded China, raped and killed the women in Nanking( Nanjng). The Puerto Ricans, instead of inventing its own music and dance, they stole the Cuban Mambo and turned around to announce that they invented Los Angeles Salsa here in YouTube several years ago. When I disagreed with them, they said fucking this and fucking that to me here in YouTube.
The best example: Samba. You have twenty different samba musuc styles with ten different Samba dance styles. Some stykes originated out of a specific region of Brazil, some where “created” later, to better suit a new Samba music style or too simplify or make different moves possible etc. Depending on the music and your mood you could dance whichever style you prefer.
Salsa is no different. Look at zouk and tango: same story. Even”strict” dances like ballet, have different styles and versions.
Dance what it you like, dance what it is you feel. A great example: Bachata. Dominican of origin, but even there there is multiple ways to dance it. Some people like the soft salsaish Bachata: Aventura, Xtreme. They dance it differently than people who like the faster more Dominicanish Bachata: Zacarias Ferreira, Antony Santos etc. But it’s foolish to ask artist to only make the Dominican style Bachata. Music evolves, it grows. It’s a good thing. If anything, the more diversity the merrier.
Dance isn’t stilen, you can take things you like and change it. There was never a copyright or patent on salsa. Just like even in Cuba, not everyone dances salsa/mambo/son/chacha the same. That’s alright, it’s what makes the dance so great. If salsa was never “stolen”, I think there’s a big chance it might’ve never grown to such popularity.
Just look at ballet, contemporary, hiphop, samba, kizomba, zouk, forro, etc. They’re all multiple styles of each, different music and different origins.
Music and dance evolves. Just relax and go with the flow. That’s ge whole basis of salsa. It’s fast, fun and progressive. There are no rules. You feel the TWO beat, dance the two. You feel the one beat, dance the one. If anything your approach hampers the evolution of salsa and musicality in general. New genres of music will always keep evolving, why shouldn’t it? Hector Lavoe song? Dance on 2, I love Mambo. Marc Anthony, dance one 1; there isn’t a strong percussion on the two in his songs. Easy
So when the salsa people found out that they danced without the Pause, it is all because the COUNTING of 1-2-3-4, after a while the male dancer got lost , he simply kept on stomping one foot after another. Now, some of the more intelligent Salsa dancers realized that and said, No, No, No, We have to copy the Cuban Mambo 2-3-41 also. Therefore, now there are two versions of the Salsa: one is called BREAK ON ONE , the other is called BREAK ON TWO ! Isn’t it stupid ? ! George, Wu, AIA 2013-2-9
The Cuban Mambo rhythms are 2-3-41. when the Puerto Ricans stole the Mambo and changed the name entirely different, into Salsa. Salsa tried to do something else, in order to claim that they had invented Salsa in 1960, the time the Cuban embargo took place.The salsa people did the 1-2-3-4. Before long all the Salsa dancers including the champions could not find the pause in the Latin dance, they simply kept on moving the two legs continuously.Well, that is not Latin dance.That is rock and roll !
“And ballroom people stole the Rumba from Cubans……” You said. The ballroom people NEVER STOLE the Rumba from Cubans the way the Salsa people stole the Mambo from Cubans. Salsa people simply stole Mambo and changed the name. That is why I called Salsa people are thieves; but I never called Ballroom people thieves ever ! That is a big difference between evolution and stealing ! Do You understand THE DIFFERENCE ?! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-8
Keeping the name Rumba by the Europeans is respectful; But stealing the dance and the Music and changed the name from Mambo into Salsa is called Stealing ! The Cubans invented Mambo; abut the Puerto Ricans are thieves, changing the name Mambo onto Salsa. It is very unethical ! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-8
ruso777777: In my point number 2 , I stated very clearly that even the Europeans like the Latin so much, but NO ONE EVER CHANGED THE NAME RUMBA INTO SOMETHING ELSE ! But the Puerto Ricans stole the Cuban Mambo and changed the name from Mambo to Salsa. It is stealing ! The Cubans do not have the Mambo any more. Because the Salsa has STOLEN the Mambo ! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-8
And ballroom people stole the Rumba from Cubans. Is that not unfair and improper?? It really seems you r rather confused on the topic of what salsa is, how it came about and the its mambo foundation. Talk to ppl who actually know a thing or two about salsa, mambo and their evolution b4 you post ur comments
3/ I applaud the D.J. today announced Mambo instead of Salsa soi much, I actually went up to tell many of them ” Congratulations for their preservation of the Cuban Mambo. By calling the same music MAMBO, NOT SALSA ! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-6
2/ I love the International Ballroom and the International Latin from England. I have been studying the books by Alex Moore and the Latin dancing from Corky Ballas and Slavik. Although they love the tradition so much, But NO ONE, ever changed the name of Rumba into Bolero, or the quick step into peabody. The Europeans respected the Latin and the Ballroom culture so much, even they introduced a lot of Ballet techniques, but never never dared to steal the dance by giving another name !
1/ Salsa had stolen the Cuban Mambo in 1960 during the Cuban Crisis, first by a Dominican J.P, and then the New York Puerto Ricans like Tito and Eddie Torres changed the name from Mambo to Salsa, which left the Cuban with no Mambo culture ! It is not fair at all ! Salsa people are thieves ! George Wu, AIA 2013-2-6
Thanks. I agree with you. It’s just I’m a writer and I like putting things into words. 🙂
Great clip, but… this is a perfect example of what salsa doesn’t want you to do: overanalyze. Salsa comes from the Caribbean and if there’s one thing we DON’T do, it’s overanalyze the simple things in life. But I guess it’s a nice clip to explain to a non-salsa dancer what it is we feel when we dance. It’s just that dance, and especially salsa, is about feeling and not about thought.
Sorry but for me sounds so stupid.
Very nice…
Thanks for the feedback. Yes do embed the video, I really appreciate that.
By the way, I linked to your video from the home page of my salsa site at sealatin.com. Is it OK if I embed your video on my site?
Thanks.
Wow, awesome video! I explored salsa classes and clubs for about a year before giving up, but I was still addicted. I began studying Latin dance from more of a cultural and psychological perspective. It’s an amazingly hard thing to get a handle on, partly because salsa is so complex – both the music and the culture – and also because of all the boosterism.
Anyway, your video nicely sums up what it has taken me two or three years to learn. Good job!
Yes, hope that’s okay. I wrote the text a couple of years ago, but we’ve only now managed to find super footage to go with the words.
This is an interesting production that you have published. We note that you have sampled one of our videos from the NYISC at 1:40!
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